derselbenvsdesselbenWhat's the difference?

Which to use

“derselben” and “desselben” are a confusable German pair: similar on the page, but distinct in meaning, check the gloss before you choose.

#4,336
“derselben” frequency rank
#7,453
“desselben” frequency rank
11789
confusion score

Side-by-Side Comparison

Feature derselben desselben
Definition Genitiv Plural des Demonstrativpronomens derselbe Genitiv Singular Maskulinum des Demonstrativpronomens derselbe

Where the spellings diverge

Shared letters are muted; the letters that actually set derselben and desselben apart are highlighted. They share 8 letters in sequence, which is exactly why the eye skips the difference.

9 ch
derselben
9 ch
desselben

Spelling & Dictionary Insight

A purely visual mix-up. derselben ([deːɐ̯ˈzɛlbn̩]) and desselben ([dɛsˈzɛlbn̩]) are said differently, so reading them aloud is the quickest way to catch the wrong one. On the page they stay close: they differ by a single letter - r in “derselben” becomes s in “desselben”. Our composite confusion score for this pair is 11789, derived from the frequency rank of both members and their visual similarity.

derselben is recorded at frequency rank #4,336, classified as anunknown, pronounced [deːɐ̯ˈzɛlbn̩]. desselben is at rank #7,453, tagged as anunknown, pronounced [dɛsˈzɛlbn̩].

Glosses for this pair are partially populated in our dataset, but the full side-by-side definitions above should still guide you to the right choice.

With a confusion score of 11789, this pair ranks #1,967,883 of 2,006,359 scored German confusable pairs - a relatively easy-to-tell-apart pair.

Orthographic DNA of derselben vs desselben

Shared letters: bdelns. Private to "derselben": r. Private to "desselben": -.

"derselben" · 9 letters · shape CVCCVCCVC  ·  "desselben" · 9 letters · shape CVCCVCCVC

Known mistypes of this pair

  • derselbendderselben · dereslben · derrselben · derseblen · derselbben · derselbenn · derselbne · derselebn
  • desselbenddesselben · deselben · deseslben · desseblen · desselbben · desselbenn · desselbne · desselebn

Frequency comparison

derselben#4,336
desselben#7,453

Source: FrequencyWords open word-frequency list

Frequently Asked Questions

Can "derselben" and "desselben" be used interchangeably?
No. They are said differently ([deːɐ̯ˈzɛlbn̩] versus [dɛsˈzɛlbn̩]) and carry different meanings; reading the sentence aloud is usually enough to catch the wrong one.
Which is more common, "derselben" or "desselben"?
"derselben" is the more common of the two: it sits at frequency rank #4,336 in our German list, against #7,453 for "desselben". The two are close in frequency, so neither is a safe default; check the meaning rather than guessing.

Remembering derselben vs desselben

The fastest way to pick the right one every time.

  • Read both glosses above and match the meaning you intend, only context separates this pair.
  • See each word in full, definition, IPA, etymology and its other confusables. Full “derselben” entry
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Source: Wiktionary (via kaikki.org) Structured Wiktionary extract

Source: FrequencyWords open word-frequency list