dasselbevsdesselbenWhat's the difference?

Quick tell: dasselbe is a pronoun, desselben is an unknown, so they fill different roles in a sentence.

Which to use

“dasselbe” is a pronoun and “desselben” is an unknown - they look or sound alike but fill different roles in a sentence.

#2,386
“dasselbe” frequency rank
#7,453
“desselben” frequency rank
9839
confusion score

Side-by-Side Comparison

Feature dasselbe desselben
Definition Nominativ Singular Neutrum des Pronomens derselbe Genitiv Singular Maskulinum des Demonstrativpronomens derselbe

Where the spellings diverge

Shared letters are muted; the letters that actually set dasselbe and desselben apart are highlighted. They share 7 letters in sequence, which is exactly why the eye skips the difference.

8 ch
dasselbe
9 ch
desselben

Spelling & Dictionary Insight

These two trip readers on the page rather than in the ear: dasselbe is [dasˈzɛlbə] while desselben is [dɛsˈzɛlbn̩]. Spoken aloud the problem disappears. In writing it persists, because they differ by 1 letter(s) in length, and the parts of speech differ too (pronoun vs unknown), which is usually the fastest check. Our composite confusion score for this pair is 9839, derived from the frequency rank of both members and their visual similarity.

dasselbe is recorded at frequency rank #2,386, classified as apron, pronounced [dasˈzɛlbə]. desselben is at rank #7,453, tagged as anunknown, pronounced [dɛsˈzɛlbn̩].

Glosses for this pair are partially populated in our dataset, but the full side-by-side definitions above should still guide you to the right choice.

With a confusion score of 9839, this pair ranks #1,978,045 of 2,006,359 scored German confusable pairs - a relatively easy-to-tell-apart pair.

Orthographic DNA of dasselbe vs desselben

Shared letters: bdels. Private to "dasselbe": a. Private to "desselben": n.

"dasselbe" · 8 letters · shape CVCCVCCV  ·  "desselben" · 9 letters · shape CVCCVCCVC

Known mistypes of this pair

  • dasselbeadsselbe · daselbe · daseslbe · dasseble · dasselbbe · dasseleb · dassellbe · dasslebe
  • desselbenddesselben · deselben · deseslben · desseblen · desselbben · desselbenn · desselbne · desselebn

Frequency comparison

dasselbe#2,386
desselben#7,453

Source: FrequencyWords open word-frequency list

Frequently Asked Questions

Can "dasselbe" and "desselben" be used interchangeably?
No - they are not even the same part of speech. "dasselbe" is a pronoun and "desselben" an unknown, so a sentence built for one is usually ungrammatical with the other.
Which is more common, "dasselbe" or "desselben"?
"dasselbe" is the more common of the two: it sits at frequency rank #2,386 in our German list, against #7,453 for "desselben". The two are close in frequency, so neither is a safe default; check the meaning rather than guessing.

Remembering dasselbe vs desselben

The fastest way to pick the right one every time.

  • Check the role first: if you need a pronoun, it's “dasselbe”; for an unknown, it's “desselben”.
  • See each word in full, definition, IPA, etymology and its other confusables. Full “dasselbe” entry
  • Browse more pairs most likely to be confused. Most confusable

Source: Wiktionary (via kaikki.org) Structured Wiktionary extract

Source: FrequencyWords open word-frequency list